请帮助我提高我的时代 Kunoichi

ergeniz

下面是引用初音ミク于2009-08-19 12:39发表的:



You're welcome

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Ah yes, my control needs work whens it comes to raijin scroll. Especially when it comes to things like aiming mirrors while using and staying on narrow walkways (such as for misson 6). I think its just like you said however, just practice more with it and I should get use to the feel of it.

thank you for the link to yuxi's stage-4 run; it will be good to have a model to go off of as it is somewhat frustrating to go through the stage and figure out what enemies/items I need to kill, which I can skip, etc.

It is just as you said earlier; my goal is to do the stages for S-Rank quickly while just barely getting around 1300000 points; for some stages it is simple (I found I can do Stage-5 around 3' 30 now since I know I can just do enemy kills 100% and only worry about a few boxes which have chakra in them; I don't need to destroy anything else since I won't take damage) or stage-8 because it is somewhat linear and the enemies/doorways I need to destroy are on my path.

One question though, I am working on Stage-9 currently and I know you can kill nakatomi ninja bosses by charge attack in the back, but I want to do it at the start and Jamushi has two preset column patterns at the beginning:

a) he appears to the far left, at which case I need to start tateing at the far right
b) he appears at the far right at which case I start close to my left

In anycase, we all know if you kick or hit him he will dissapear and the tate will reset in a different pattern, so I try to to jump at just the right distance and buffer in my slash so I will be ready to charge but I have several problems; most of which the columns in these patterns are too small to get behind him safely and I cannot bait the projectile move due to lack of space or he hits me with melee attack. This is not a problem on normal mode, or with Hotsuma since it seems his charge move will kill Jumushi even from the front. I did it similarly with my run on Stage-3 where I did two consective charge moves standing from the base of the column. This works, and I have a time around 4' 30''...still I saw a video of a Hibana doing one-hit kill on hard but the pattern Jumushi was standing on was different (wasn't one of the ones he starts out with) and there was much more room to get the back tate.

So for the sake of saving time is my way okay, or is there another way to set it up?

初音ミク

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-20 01:30发表的:


Ah yes, my control needs work whens it comes to raijin scroll. Especially when it comes to things like aiming mirrors while using and staying on narrow walkways (such as for misson 6). I think its just like you said however, just practice more with it and I should get use to the feel of it.

thank you for the link to yuxi's stage-4 run; it will be good to have a model to go off of as it is somewhat frustrating to go through the stage and figure out what enemies/items I need to kill, which I can skip, etc.
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Actually I never tried to kill Jimushi in one hit by Hibana in hard mode, since I always use Hotsuma. Perhaps someone else can help you for this. All I know about Jimushi is that kill him in one hit by Hibana is really challenging...

xbird

Most videos of one hit kill of Jimushi, were completed when he apperared on the right column at the beginning by Hibana in hard mode. I never did one hit kill of Jimushi by Hibana when he appaered on the columns of front, left and center at beginning. And I never saw some one did so.

For your project,  you must pray he firstly appears on the right column. It all rest with luck. You have 50% to succeed.

yuxi

下面是引用xbird于2009-08-20 12:19发表的:
Most videos of one hit kill of Jimushi, were completed when he apperared on the right column at the beginning by Hibana in hard mode. I never did one hit kill of Jimushi by Hibana when he appaered on the columns of front, left and middle at beginning. And I never saw some one did so.

For your project,  you must pray he firstly appears on the right column. It all rest with luck. You have 50% to succeed.

hard一刀地虫和出现位置没关系，请不要误导，谢谢。
还有就是hard一刀地虫的成功率你能达到50%这么高？我是没见过这里的人谁说自己能有这么高的成功率。

xbird

下面是引用yuxi于2009-08-20 19:26发表的:


hard一刀地虫和出现位置没关系，请不要误导，谢谢。
还有就是hard一刀地虫的成功率你能达到50%这么高？我是没见过这里的人谁说自己能有这么高的成功率。

我只是说我自己没做过在那三个平台用绯花蓄背的一刀斩，且没见过过别人的录象里做过，是我自己见识少~

还有就是50%的机会是指，地虫有50%的机会一开始出现在右边平台。地虫不是不会两次出现在同一平台，和不会出现在离绯花最近的平台吗？毕竟那个平台的地虫容易下手，TA的话也得在第一次出杂兵时完成一刀斩，右边的话，第一只杂兵离绯花也近，所以祈求他最好一开始出现在右边~

之前写的没超出上面几行字的范围吧？

用绯花蓄背，大概有25%左右吧，就看地虫不会跟着绯花转身，有时还会边撒网边转……

用秀真的话，正面二段，成功率高好多~

yuxi

下面是引用xbird于2009-08-20 20:24发表的:

地虫不是不会两次出现在同一平台，和不会出现在离绯花最近的平台吗？

这又是从哪里得出来的结论？就算你说50%是指出现的位置，但是这个数字又是怎么得出来的？是自己的经验是么？但是对于某些所谓自己的经验得出的规律并不一定正确，你自己都说你没见过在别的平台上一刀地虫，有些东西不是随便说出来这么简单的，因为你以前有些回帖里面所写的理论都不是完全正确的，这样很容易对别人造成误导的结果，再比如说hard难度地面都能出现一刀斩的结果，虽说这个很久以前就被人发现了，但是到现在为止所有的解释都是猜测，没人能说出来这个是什么原理，具体要怎么去操作，所以说对于地虫这么一个诡异的boss来说更是很难用自己的经验去对某些现象去下结论。

以上这只是我对于你有些回帖里面的错误结论所提出的建议，回复某些问题之前最好确定一下自己所说的是不是?返模?饷囱辖鞯挠蜗凡皇撬邓嫡饷醇虻サ模?比荒憧梢匝≡裢耆?奘右陨险庑??s:120]

下面是引用xbird于2009-08-20 20:24发表的:

用绯花蓄背，大概有25%左右吧，就看地虫不会跟着绯花转身，有时还会边撒网边转……

我和鬼神当初录无伤全程的时候，这关是最郁闷的，基本都是打了一下午才搞定的，这个概念就是只成功了那么一次，你这个25%的成功率对于地虫来说已经高到天上去了。。。至少我认识的人没人能到这么高的，当然可能是我们见识的也少吧，呵呵。

xbird

下面是引用yuxi于2009-08-20 20:55发表的:


这又是从哪里得出来的结论？就算你说50%是指出现的位置，但是这个数字又是怎么得出来的？是自己的经验是么？但是对于某些所谓自己的经验得出的规律并不一定正确，你自己都说你没见过在别的平台上一刀地虫，有些东西不是随便说出来这么简单的，因为你以前有些回帖里面所写的理论都不是完全正确的，这样很容易对别人造成误导的结果，再比如说hard难度地面都能出现一刀斩的结果，虽说这个很久以前就被人发现了，但是到现在为止所有的解释都是猜测，没人能说出来这个是什么原理，具体要怎么去操作，所以说对于地虫这么一个诡异的boss来说更是很难用自己的经验去对某些现象去下结论。

以上这只是我对于你有些回帖里面的错误结论所提出的建议，回复某些问题之前最好确定一下自己所说的是不是正确的，这么严谨的游戏不是说说这么简单的，当然你可以选择完全无视以上这些，对我来说无所谓的。

地虫不会两次出现在同一平台，和不会出现在最近绯花的平台，我经常用这方法迫使他出现在方便我一刀斩的平台的，每次都有效~(地虫在***台时，转身的机率真的很高)

一开始，绯花站一个平台，地虫站一个，剩下两个平台，不是左就是右的了，机率当然是50%，实际上也是如此。一开始别乱跑，从没见过一开始就升中间平台的，有的话我也想看看~

我发表的理论都是经过实践验证才发表的，没完全肯定的全用上“应该”、“大概”、“估计”等字眼，仔细看的话也不会有误解的。正所谓人非圣贤，孰能无错，虽然我已经尽是避免，但也难免有些错漏~

有错也欢迎指出，如果有人引用回复了，我也不会编辑原话，否则就像耍赖，反巫捏人家而理指控，而看帖的只要看回复也不会有误解了，看帖得看回复啊~

xbird

下面是引用yuxi于2009-08-20 20:55发表的:
我和鬼神当初录无伤全程的时候，这关是最郁闷的，基本都是打了一下午才搞定的，这个概念就是只成功了那么一次，你这个25%的成功率对于地虫来说已经高到天上去了。。。至少我认识的人没人能到这么高的，当然可能是我们见识的也少吧，呵呵

我不打无伤，成功率当然高一些。你们打一下午就打出，我已经是望尘莫及了……

实际上我比较讨厌游戏最高评价要求无伤，打得漂亮的话，伤一点有什么关系。还好K的S Rank不要求无伤，只求分数，很多关我都是打Massive Damage S的~

yuxi

下面是引用xbird于2009-08-20 21:27发表的:

地虫不会两次出现在同一平台，和不会出现在最近绯花的平台，我经常用这方法迫使他出现在方便我一刀斩的平台的，每次都有效~(地虫在***台时，转身的机率真的很高)

真牛，都能100%控制地虫出现的规律了 [s:264]

“应该”、“大概”、“估计”等字眼我看的一些帖子里面基本没出现过，看来还是“不全面”啊 [s:267]

算了，我也懒的说了，你继续吧，对于25%如此高的一刀成功率我也差不多明白是啥意思了

PS：我估计这里的老鸟随便挑出来一个都能被你秒杀的彻彻底底，至少这关是秒的没边了

下面是引用xbird于2009-08-20 21:40发表的:


我不打无伤，成功率当然高一些。你们打一下午就打出，我已经是望尘莫及了……

实际上我比较讨厌游戏最高评价要求无伤，打得漂亮的话，伤一点有什么关系。还好K的S Rank不要求无伤，只求分数，很多关我都是打Massive Damage S的~

这个成功率和打不打无伤没关系，谢谢。

如果方便的话啥时候给点漂亮的录像看看吧，因为你当初那句“我有那个实力但是有人做过了我就不想去做了”这句话很让人期待，忍区现在挺需要些漂亮的录像来活跃一下了，沉闷太久了


PS：你不打无伤居然都知道自己有那个实力去打无伤，这个有点费解。。。汗个

ergeniz

Can you guys fill me in what xbird and yuxi were discussing? I'm very curious as to what exactly you guys were talking about....

Also, guys please check on my stage-8: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTEzMjE2NTQ4.html

Tell me what all of you think.