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标题: 刚发现Redhat公司的FC6是支持Cell BE的(PS3上安装FCdvdiso的官方说明在第3页) [打印本页]

作者: z0406game 时间: 2006-11-12 21:40
标题: 刚发现Redhat公司的FC6是支持Cell BE的(PS3上安装FCdvdiso的官方说明在第3页)
刚才读Fedora Core 6 的Release Note 发现系统要求里有这么一段：

6.2. PPC Specifics for Fedora
This section covers any specific information you may need to know about Fedora Core and the PPC hardware platform.

6.2.1. PPC Hardware Requirements
6.2.1.1. Processor and Memory
Minimum CPU: PowerPC G3 / POWER3

Fedora Core 6 supports only the "New World" generation of Apple Power Macintosh, shipped from circa 1999 onward.

Fedora Core 6 also supports IBM pSeries, IBM iSeries, IBM RS/6000, Genesi Pegasos II, and IBM Cell Broadband Engine machines.

Recommended for text-mode: 233 MHz G3 or better, 128MiB RAM.

Recommended for graphical: 400 MHz G3 or better, 256MiB RAM.

而且图形界面的推荐内存就是256M....
就是不知道能不能在PS3上面装，希望有人能试试看。。。。.

作者: 傲雪残月 时间: 2006-11-12 21:44
这个是什么东东...恕在下无知-_-

作者: z0406game 时间: 2006-11-12 21:46

下面是引用傲雪残月于2006-11-12 21:44发表的:
这个是什么东东...恕在下无知-_-

Redhat 公司维护的Linux个人最新版，10月24日发布。恐怕也是最流行的一个Linux版本。
即将推出的Yellow Dog Linux 是基于Fedora Core 5 制作的。

作者: 傲雪残月 时间: 2006-11-12 22:04
哦...你说LINUX我就明白了-_-
能装的话不错,这样PS3就有无限可能了

作者: 全娱乐制霸 时间: 2006-11-12 22:22
装上的话是不是系统扩展性变强了第三方软件会多很多吧

作者: jasonson 时间: 2006-11-12 22:26
支持好消息，能不能装上并运行，还要等待测试哦．．．ＳＯＮＹ不会让你那么便宜的，不用它自己推销的黄狗．．．

作者: Jeff_Chen 时间: 2006-11-12 22:30
标题: Re:刚发现Fedora Core 6是支持Cell BE的。
下载地址：

http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/Zod-dvd-ppc.torrent

作者: sangokumusou 时间: 2006-11-12 22:42
没有好奇怪的，PS3所用的操作系统YDL OS是构建于Fedora Core 5 之上的，5都支持，还用说6吗？

作者: z0406game 时间: 2006-11-12 22:47

下面是引用sangokumusou于2006-11-12 22:42发表的:
没有好奇怪的，PS3所用的操作系统YDL OS是构建于Fedora Core 5 之上的，5都支持，还用说6吗？

我的意思是YDL是构建在FC5上，但也是经过了一定的修改的吧，如果FC6的DVD安装包不经过修改直接就能装在PS3上，那就又多了一个不错的选择。

其实如果只从新手使用的角度来看，如果Mandriva 2007 PowerPack+可以装在PS3上，是最理想的，毕竟很多第三方软件比如realplayer,flashplayer,adobe reader等等也集成好了。

作者: sangokumusou 时间: 2006-11-12 23:00

我的意思是YDL是构建在FC5上，但也是经过了一定的修改的吧，如果FC6的DVD安装包不经过修改直接就能装在PS3上，那就又多了一个不错的选择。

呵呵，就怕只是个美好的愿望

再分享一些相关的PS3的信息，YDL将采用Linux 2.6.16 版核心，其它纳入的软件如 gcc 3.4.4、glibc 2.4、Cell SDK 1.1、OpenOffice.org 2.0.2、FireFox 1.5.0、Thunderbird 1.5.0与Nautilus 2.1.4 等。

作者: subaru 时间: 2006-11-13 09:59
正在使用fedora core6 + firefox2的男子留。。。

作者: solidgzq 时间: 2006-11-13 10:07
YDL for PS3好像是下载免费,购买光盘才要钱$49,有技术支持的要$99

作者: realwei 时间: 2006-11-13 10:31
PS3官方说明里面是支持安装第三方OS的，也就是说PS3的扩展性应该是三大主机里面最强的，不过貌似游戏机的味道越来越少了

作者: zxd180 时间: 2006-11-13 10:44
随便看看，完全看不懂的说

作者: z0406game 时间: 2006-11-13 11:55
发现PS3真是已经到了DIY无止境的境界了，下面的这个是sony官方的bootloader的安装说明，装上bootloader后其他的比较好办了，也不用局限于YDL了。

Booting Linux and Installation
Copyright ?2006 Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.
Copyright ?2006 Sony Corp.
Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU Free Documentation License".
DISCLAIMER
THIS DOCUMENT IS PROVIDED "AS IS," AND COPYRIGHT HOLDERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NON-INFRINGEMENT, OR TITLE; THAT THE CONTENTS OF THE DOCUMENT ARE SUITABLE FOR ANY PURPOSE; NOR THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SUCH CONTENTS WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY THIRD PARTY PATENTS, COPYRIGHTS, TRADEMARKS OR OTHER RIGHTS.
COPYRIGHT HOLDERS WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY USE OF THE DOCUMENT OR THE PERFORMANCE OR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CONTENTS THEREOF.
This document illustrates overview of PS3 Linux boot process and how to install boot loader.
Create Linux Disk Partition
First of all, user needs to initialize built-in HDD. With conventional PC this could be done as part of Linux installation, however with PS3, user need to decide what amount of HDD assign to Linux. Fig. 1 shows it’s concept.

Fig . 1 Disk Partitions
Install Boot Loader
As conventional PC, we need to install a boot loader into PS3 to boot Linux. On the other hand, we need a special program to install a boot loader on special reserved area in PS3 system flash rom. The installer is called as “OtherOS Installer”.
Due to requirements of boot loader on PS3, such as capability of using USB human interface devices, “kboot’ has been utilized as a boot loader for Linux on PS3.
In other words, before staring Linux installation, you need to get “OtherOS Installer” from SCEI web site and customized “kboot” from Linux distributor, respectively. Then you install “kboot” to PS3, using “OtherOS Installer”. Please refer manual of “OtherOS Installer” and installation manual of Linux distribution, for details.
The customized “kboot” which you installed, may contain corresponding proper installation program for Linux distribution, you choose.
Fig 2. shows overview of “OtherOS Installer” and Kboot.

Fig 2. Boot Loader And Its Installer

Please find out details of “OtherOS” Flash area in Fig 3. And refer http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/ [/COLOR]also, for up to date information.

Fig. 3 Other OS Flash Area Details
Switch System to Boot
Once you installed “kboot” into PS3. You can switch the environment to be booted with boot sel[B][/B]ection menu from GameOS. On the other hand, from Linux environment, you also can switch the environment, using "boot-game-os" command.

Fig. 4 Change Default Boot System
Fig 5 shows details of the algorithm decides which environment to boot.

Fig 5. Boot Flow Chart with Kboot
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作者: Jeff_Chen 时间: 2006-11-13 12:04
考虑拿个大硬盘装Linux………………原配的还是搞游戏吧……

FC6已经下载到85%了，晚上回家继续……

作者: ryangato 时间: 2006-11-13 12:24
装linux不占内存么？

ps3系统用 32M，linux用128M
玩游戏只能用96M ?

作者: ryangato 时间: 2006-11-13 12:24
ps: linux怎么引导？

grub ?

作者: z0406game 时间: 2006-11-13 12:35

下面是引用ryangato于2006-11-13 12:24发表的:
ps: linux怎么引导？

grub ?

启动Linux的时候，不会把GameOS读入256M内存的，反之亦然，所以都是独享256M系统内存。

Linux的引导结构是kboot->kernel。
或者kboot->grub->kernel。

觉得现在的一个问题是似乎不能把Linux分区的一部分文件夹设置成在xmb下可见，这个会造成很大的不便。

作者: 轩辕阳光 时间: 2006-11-13 12:58
偶还在用FC5的说
原来6都已经发布了....

作者: xphi 时间: 2006-11-13 13:07
关键在于能不能在PS3的这个Linux下直接编译目前流行的各种Linux应用。

作者: z0406game 时间: 2006-11-13 13:20

下面是引用xphi于2006-11-13 13:07发表的:
关键在于能不能在PS3的这个Linux下直接编译目前流行的各种Linux应用。

这个的确是一个比较重要的事情，没开源只能指望厂商发布了。
开源的估计编译起来会费翻周折，要是想充分利用Cell处理器还需要重写。
不过现在还不错的是YDL里已经编译好了2248个程序包了。

理论上来说Cell可以兼容ppc程序，不过实际问题应该很多。

作者: z0406game 时间: 2006-11-13 20:33
JeffChen，几乎可以肯定FC6 dvdiso甚至其他的任何Linux ppc版都是可以安装的。
下面的这个是sony 官方的 fc5在ps3上的安装说明.

在这个地址里可以找到有用的工具和文档
http://www.powerdeveloper.org/playstation.php

不过和YDL的区别至少是需要去IBM的网站单独下载Cell SDK才能用于开发(据了解还没人在fc6上build成功过

)
性能估计也应该会比YDL差上一些。

sony的Cell programming guide 是根据YDL5写的。
觉得还是装YDL5先熟悉下效率高些。

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How to Enable Your Distro
Copyright ?2006 Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.
Copyright ?2006 Sony Corp.

Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled "GNU Free Documentation License".

DISCLAIMER

THIS DOCUMENT IS PROVIDED "AS IS," AND COPYRIGHT HOLDERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NON-INFRINGEMENT, OR TITLE; THAT THE CONTENTS OF THE DOCUMENT ARE SUITABLE FOR ANY PURPOSE; NOR THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SUCH CONTENTS WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY THIRD PARTY PATENTS, COPYRIGHTS, TRADEMARKS OR OTHER RIGHTS.
COPYRIGHT HOLDERS WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY USE OF THE DOCUMENT OR THE PERFORMANCE OR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CONTENTS THEREOF.

As a hint of enabling your own distribution, we’ll show how to install existing free Linux distribution for PPC64. We’ll explain this using with Fedora Core 5 as an example.

Install Fedora Core 5
1. Abstract
This section shows how to install Fedora Core 5 on a PS3.

To install Fedora Core 5 on a PS3, you have to execute following steps.

Create a Linux partition on the HDD.
Install boot loader.
Set boot flag to 'Other OS'.
2. Requirements
Hardware
PS3 which System Software version 1.10 or later is installed
Controller
USB keyboard
USB Memory or MemoryStick or SD or CompactFlash
Monitor
The following will be used for output from a PS3.
HDTV monitor(supporting 480p, 1080i, 720p or 1080p)
Connected with the HDMI connector or the AV MULTIOUT connector
Software
Other OS installer (otheros.self)
You can get the binary from http://www.playstation.com/ps3-openplatform/
kboot image compressed by gzip (otheros.bld)
You can find this in Addon Packages CD.
Fedora Core 5 PPC install DVD
You can get Fedora Core 5 PPC install DVD from Fedora Project (http://fedora.redhat.com/)
Addon Packages CD.
3. Setup procedure.
3.1 Setup your PS3.
1) Connecting power cables.
2) Connecting monitor
Connected with the HDMI connector or the AV MULTIOUT connector.
3) Making other interface connections.
Connect the USB cable of the Controller to the USB connector.
Connect the USB cable of the USB keyboard to the USB connector.
3.2 How to create a Linux partition.
1) Turn on the PS3. After initializing, you can see GameOS menu.  You select "Settings -> System Settings".
2) After selecting "Format Utility" from sub menu, following messages are displayed.
Format Memory Stick
Format SD Memory Card
Format CompackFlash
Format Hard Disk

To allocate a Linux partition on the Hard Disk, select "Format Hard Disk".

3) After following message is displayed. you select 'Yes'.
Do you want to format the hard disk?

Yes No

4) After following message is displayed. you select 'Yes'.
If you format, all data on the hard disk will be deleted.
This data cannot be restored.
Are you sure you want to continue?

Yes No

5) You can see following message.
Select a partition setting for the hard disk.

Use All for the PS3 System
Custom

To allocate a Linux partition on the Hard Disk, select "Custom".
After selecting "Custom", following messages are displayed.

Select a partition setting for the hard disk.

Use All for the PS3 System
Allot 10GB to the Other OS
Allot 10GB to the PS3 System

To allocate a Linux partition on the Hard Disk, select one of following items.

Allot 10GB to the Other OS
Allot 10GB to the PS3 System

If your hard disk size is 20GB, you have to select 'Allot 10GB to the Other OS'.

6) After selecting the item, format process is started.
7) After creating a Linux partition, following messages are displayed.
Format Complete.
Press the X button to restart the system.

After pressing the X button, restart the system software and you can see GameOS menu.

3.3 How to install kboot.
1) Connect a USB memory or memory card to the USB connector of your PC.
2) Open the USB memory or memory card(E drive).
3) Create PS3 folder in E drive and open PS3 folder.
4) Create otheros folder in PS3 folder.
5) Copy following files to otheros folder.
otheros.self Other OS installer
otheros.bld kboot(compressed by gzip)
6) Extract USB memory or memory card from your PC and insert it to the USB connector of the PS3
7) Turn on the PS3. After initializing, you select "Settings -> System Settings" by using GameOS menu.
8) After selecting "Install Other OS" from sub menu, the system search Other OS installer from flash memory device. After the system found. Other OS installer, following messages are displayed.
The following installer items were found:

Title /PS3/otheros/otheros.self
Location USB Device

OK

Note: Path name of Other OS installer and Location information may vary according to your environment.

If the system cannot find Other OS installer, following message is displayed.

No applicable installer was found.

If you see above message, please confirm the data on your flash memory device.

After the system found Other OS installer and you select 'OK', following messages are displayed.

Press the X button to start the installer.
The screen will temporarily go blank. Please wait until the installer starts.

Press the X button to start the installer.

9) After initializing Other OS installer, you start installing kboot.
10) After finishing Other OS install, you can see the GameOS menu.
3.4 Change the default system to boot
To start kboot, you have to change the default system to boot.

1) Turn on the PS3. After initializing, you select "Settings -> System Settings" by using GameOS menu.
2) After selecting "Default System" from sub menu, following messages are displayed.
PS3
Other OS

Select 'Other OS'.

3.5 Turn off the PS3.
1) Push the "PS"  button in 2 seconds. on your Controller. Following messages are displayed.
Turn off the controller.
Turn off the system.

Select 'Turn off the system'.

3.6 Restart
1) Push the power button on the PS3.
2) You have already set the default system to 'Other OS'. So you can see the kboot message.
3.7 How to install Fedora Core 5 on your PS3
1) Insert Fedora Core 5 install DVD to the PS3.
2) After displaying kboot prompt, you start a installer program.
You can select only DVD install.
There is one Hard Disk Drive in the PS3.
After initializing boot loader, one HDD is recognized as follows.

sda Linux
You select 'sda' HDD for install.

DVD install

kboot: install-fc sda

After executing installer, you can see following message.

Please insert Fedore Core install DVD.
Is it OK? (y/n):

After you finish preparing, type 'y'.

1) Fedora Core minimum install
2) Fedore Core full install"
Select install system?

You select one of them.

Next you can see following message. If you can save the data on HDD, you have to backup them to another device.

Caution!!. All data in /dev/sda are removed.
Is it OK? (y/n):

To start Fedora Core 5 install, type 'y'.

HDD is initialized as follows.

Partition id  Size Type Label
1 Max size - 512MB  Linux  /
2 512 MB swap SWAP

After Fedora Core 5 install, Fedora Core 5 install DVD is automatically ejected. Next you can see following messages.

Please insert a Addon Packages CD.
Is it OK? (y/n)

You insert a Addon Packages CD, type 'y'. Then additional packages are installed.

After Addon Packages install, Addon Packages CD is automatically ejected. And you can see following messages.

Install done.
Type reboot to start Linux or type halt to power off

3) To start Linux, type 'reboot'.

4) You can see Linux messages.

Fedora Core release 5 (Bordeaux)
Kernel 2.6.16 on an ppc64

localhost login:

4. Linux for PLAYSTATION(R) Primer.
4.1 Log in
After initializing Linux, you log in as root.

localhost login: root
Password:
Last login: Fri Aug 18 10:09:49 on tty1
[root@localhost ~] #

After you log in, you can execute Linux command.

4.2 Log out
When you want to log out the Linux, you execute 'logout' command.

[root@localhost ~] # logout

4.3 Mount BD/DVD/CD
First, you have to make a directory for mount.

[root@localhost ~] # mkdir /mnt/cdrom

After inserting a media to the drive, you execute following command.

[root@localhost ~] # mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
mount: block device /dev/cdrom is write-protected, mounting read-only
[root@localhost ~] # ls /mnt/cdrom
boot doc etc target

If you mount a Fedora Core 5 install DVD, you can use a yum command.

[root@localhost ~] # yum install hogehoge.ppc.rpm

When you want to eject the media, you execute 'eject' command.

[root@localhost ~] # eject

4.4 Change Game OS/Linux mode
When you want to change from Linux mode to Game OS mode, you execute 'boot-game-os' command.

[root@localhost ~] # boot-game-os

When you want to change from Game OS mode to Linux mode, please refer 3.3.

作者: skygunner 时间: 2006-11-14 00:10
比起什么时候入手P3，更关心这个

作者: sangokumusou 时间: 2006-11-14 02:48

下面是引用skygunner于2006-11-14 00:10发表的:
比起什么时候入手P3，更关心这个

到底入不入手或者什么时候入手PS3都没着落，看着这些东西实在是提不起兴趣啊

作者: z0406game 时间: 2006-11-14 11:11

下面是引用skygunner于2006-11-14 00:10发表的:
比起什么时候入手P3，更关心这个

我就是因为这个，决定一定要买台ps3，是所谓的cell饭？

不过现在真的很贵耶。

作者: doom12 时间: 2006-11-14 11:37
标题: Re:刚发现Redhat公司的FC6是支持Cell BE的(PS3上安装FCdvdiso的
没驱动，出了FC7也没用，还是老老实实用黄狗吧

作者: Jeff_Chen 时间: 2006-11-14 11:38

下面是引用z0406game于2006-11-13 20:33发表的:
JeffChen，几乎可以肯定FC6 dvdiso甚至其他的任何Linux ppc版都是可以安装的。
下面的这个是sony 官方的 fc5在ps3上的安装说明.

在这个地址里可以找到有用的工具和文档
http://www.powerdeveloper.org/playstation.php
.......

OK.

那等PS3到了我就做白鼠了。不过考虑找个新硬盘装，原配的就不搞了。

另外等了这么多天都没人试试看直插220V，真的有点失望，看来白鼠又将是我了。哎……

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