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作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-13 05:57
标题: 请帮助我提高我的时代 Kunoichi

您好，做任何Kunoichi球员在这里说英语？我工作的一个S -秩speedrun项目，以及努力改善我的时间攻击/使命倍。我是这个网站提供了在YouTube上的朋友，我aplogize ，我知道没有中文。

这是我的播放清单: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=140C5DDD53273624

http://www.youtube.com/profile_video_blog?user=Ergeniz

我不是很好，但我相信我的时间不断改进与更多的做法。我希望如果有经验的球员可以给我提示，我的最大的问题是针对shruiken在时间攻击在时间攻击....

作者: ananmo 时间: 2009-8-13 09:15
好神奇....这是用英文写出来再用GOOGLE翻译成中文的么.....球员=player=玩家?

作者: w8108310y 时间: 2009-8-13 12:50
这位国外朋友是哪里人,这翻译软件用的挺猛^ ^,

作者: youmu 时间: 2009-8-13 15:56

说明一下，楼主大概经常看我发的那些视频，这段时间也贴了很多自己的录像回复到我的空间。不过我平时接触PS2很少，他的问题我也回答不了，所以建议他来这里看看。目前我个人在香港，所以YouTube还是看得了。是否需要把楼主那些录像转到Youku之类的空间？

作者: hajsdfjafh 时间: 2009-8-13 18:10
最好能把以前的视频放出来给我们下载。。以前全部不小心洗掉了。。

作者: bluekelly 时间: 2009-8-13 19:33
不如抽空把置顶的技巧贴翻译成英格丽丝吧，213神~！

作者: bluekelly 时间: 2009-8-13 19:36
You can speak english,their english is better than your chinese,l think. LOL!

作者: 初音ミク 时间: 2009-8-13 20:53

下面是引用youmu于2009-08-13 15:56发表的:
说明一下，楼主大概经常看我发的那些视频，这段时间也贴了很多自己的录像回复到我的空间。不过我平时接触PS2很少，他的问题我也回答不了，所以建议他来这里看看。目前我个人在香港，所以YouTube还是看得了。是否需要把楼主那些录像转到Youku之类的空间？

如果LZ不觉得麻烦当然没问题了

作者: ray_dash 时间: 2009-8-13 23:11
我也要看YouTube啊。我刚发现WOW的音乐想录下来就被***了 T。T

作者: 213h 时间: 2009-8-14 00:56

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-13 23:03发表的:

Sorry, I did not know if the players on these forums were english speakers or not so I posted in Chinese as best I could. I have seen both Lyzblade and Sheepshow's videos on youtube; Lyzblade told me about your forums and the great Shinobi players here.

I wasn't aware of players in China being restricted from watching youtube, is there a file website I can upload my files to so I can link them here?
.......

You can upload your files to www.youku.com

There are also many videos of Shinobi and Kunoichi in this website.

作者: xbird 时间: 2009-8-14 01:32

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-13 23:03发表的:

Sorry, I did not know if the players on these forums were english speakers or not so I posted in Chinese as best I could. I have seen both Lyzblade and Sheepshow's videos on youtube; Lyzblade told me about your forums and the great Shinobi players here.

I wasn't aware of players in China being restricted from watching youtube, is there a file website I can upload my files to so I can link them here?
.......

I suggest that you can visit the following address.

http://www.youku.com

Perhaps, this would be the most popular video website in China. You could search video like searching on youtube by the keywords below for watching what you want. Also you can search them on youtube. May be you would find something you never found.

shinobi kunoichi 忍女忍 kelven k神 TA

Finally, you could find lots of video link by searching the Chinese word "录象" in this forum.
https://bbs.luryl.com/search.php

作者: hajsdfjafh 时间: 2009-8-14 02:09
朋友们打汉字好么。。我承认我英语差。。

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-14 03:02
Thank you for the link to that website 213h
and xbird ; I may upload some of my vids there so I can show them to you; I am not very good but I hope by showing my personal records you all can give me advice and tips.

I have beaten Hard mode with Hibana and unlocked everything; and i also have gotten the hang of doing S-Rank stages in short time, but I am not a very good player; for example my records in TIME ATTACK 1 is 54'' 68 and TIME ATTACK 5 is 46'' 65 while I see the record for TIME ATTACK 1 on lyzblade's channel is 17"92. I have seen all of his and Sheepsow's videos and how the players do them, but I cannot aim Shuriken like they do; I have to look and aim at the mirrors first.

作者: 沉默的鱼 时间: 2009-8-14 08:29
标题: Re:
I want to help you. But I'm english is badly. You will do more exercise. If you try your best, you will have a chance to success. [Replied by WAP]

作者: 213h 时间: 2009-8-14 11:42

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-14 03:02发表的:
Thank you for the link to that website 213h
and xbird ; I may upload some of my vids there so I can show them to you; I am not very good but I hope by showing my personal records you all can give me advice and tips.

I have beaten Hard mode with Hibana and unlocked everything; and i also have gotten the hang of doing S-Rank stages in short time, but I am not a very good player; for example my records in TIME ATTACK 1 is 54'' 68 and TIME ATTACK 5 is 46'' 65 while I see the record for TIME ATTACK 1 on lyzblade's channel is 17"92. I have seen all of his and Sheepsow's videos and how the players do them, but I cannot aim Shuriken like they do; I have to look and aim at the mirrors first.

Many of the records in lyzblade's playlist are the best in the world as far as I know (I have been collecting the best records for many years). The players spent so much time on the game, for example 1000 hours or even more.

My best record for TA 5 is 17''97, and I spent more than 30 hours for this. I think the best way to improve is

1st, remember every detail of the master's video,

2nd, do as much exercise as possible.

It is very diffi*** to imitate the videos in lyzblade's playlist at first, and the only way is exercise.

作者: 慢慢变bt 时间: 2009-8-14 16:26
It's fortunate I still remember english.............................................

不过要具体交流要靠213了

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-14 22:47
1000 hours of practice? I feel a bit better now, I have only just started TIME ATTACK and MISSION records and I have only been playing the game for a few months, I thought I could not get better times because I was a bad player....

I will keep practicing on my TIME ATTACK and MISSION records and I will upload a few of my videos to that website so all you may see how I fare at the game.

作者: 慢慢变bt 时间: 2009-8-15 02:36
IF you've finished some videos, you can post the website address here, all of us are glad to watch the video about KUNOICHI
Maybe 213H can give you some advice about it

Oops, I'm not good at English...........

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-15 04:06
I have made an account on the website you all gave me. i tried to upload some of my vids to the site but it gives me a blue box notice and doesn't upload.

Do anyone know what the notification says?

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3941/problemhvh.png

作者: ananmo 时间: 2009-8-15 09:32
看来空白的那贴“初学者建议”贴应该有一份英文版。

作者: natural 时间: 2009-8-15 12:01

下面是引用ananmo于2009-08-15 09:32发表的:
看来空白的那贴“初学者建议”贴应该有一份英文版。

谁要是有那兴趣，把那帮助文档翻译一份，我也没有意见。

说来这人还没给出些啥详细资料啊。
哪国人，多大了？

作者: 初音ミク 时间: 2009-8-15 12:04

下面是引用natural于2009-08-15 12:01发表的:

谁要是有那兴趣，把那帮助文档翻译一份，我也没有意见。

说来这人还没给出些啥详细资料啊。
.......

美国德州，看来是很有兴趣的初心者，应该好好培养

作者: natural 时间: 2009-8-15 12:31

下面是引用初音ミク于2009-08-15 12:04发表的:

美国德州，看来是很有兴趣的初心者，应该好好培养

他图片上有日文

作者: takano213 时间: 2009-8-15 12:46

下面是引用natural于2009-08-15 12:31发表的:

他图片上有日文

那图片我打不开啊

居然用月姬作头像，跟你一贯的硬派作风不符啊

作者: 213h 时间: 2009-8-15 12:52

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-15 04:06发表的:
I have made an account on the website you all gave me. i tried to upload some of my vids to the site but it gives me a blue box notice and doesn't upload.

Do anyone know what the notification says?

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3941/problemhvh.png

It means that every tag should contain 2 Chinese Characters at least. I think the tag "女忍" is OK.

作者: natural 时间: 2009-8-15 13:04
多重人格之间的交流

作者: natural 时间: 2009-8-15 13:06

下面是引用takano213于2009-08-15 12:46发表的:

那图片我打不开啊

居然用月姬作头像，跟你一贯的硬派作风不符啊

现在女性化了，阴柔美

作者: 慢慢变bt 时间: 2009-8-15 13:19

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-15 04:06发表的:
I have made an account on the website you all gave me. i tried to upload some of my vids to the site but it gives me a blue box notice and doesn't upload.

Do anyone know what the notification says?

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3941/problemhvh.png

It just told you to fill out the tag with two Chinese characters.
Just try to fill out the tag with 女忍 .

作者: 慢慢变bt 时间: 2009-8-15 13:23

213具体交流靠你了太难的英语不会

作者: 女王 时间: 2009-8-15 16:14

下面是引用初音ミク于2009-08-13 20:53发表的:

如果LZ不觉得麻烦当然没问题了

这个戏服不错 [s:247]

作者: 鬼鬼的刀刀 时间: 2009-8-16 09:57
擦死空白

Z

作者: 炫鬼 时间: 2009-8-16 15:23
我怎么看不懂你们在说什么呀

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-17 04:56
I tried putting in the tags; its still not working:

作者: xbird 时间: 2009-8-17 07:13

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-17 04:56发表的:
I tried putting in the tags; its still not working:

It seem that you must input at least two tags for other people search you upload. Maybe you copy and paste the words below as tags would be a good way to solve you problem.

女忍 kunoichi 游戏 PS2 stage1

And the notice on the piture you posted means that some exceptions with yout network, please try again.

作者: v少参上 时间: 2009-8-17 08:45
LZ图片地址打不开，谁给放上来~~~~~~~

作者: xbird 时间: 2009-8-17 09:00

下面是引用v少参上于2009-08-17 08:45发表的:
LZ图片地址打不开，谁给放上来~~~~~~~

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-17 09:46
Xbird, I tried the tags; that seems to be fine, but it still gives me that blue notice box. No matter how many times I attempt to re-do it I cannot upload. [s:254]

I don't know what else to try.....

作者: 初音ミク 时间: 2009-8-17 11:01
The blue pop-up window notices that "Network timeout! Please try again!"

If you cannot upload your files, you can just use YouTube. We will use the proxy software to see them.

作者: natural 时间: 2009-8-17 11:54
还不如发邮件带附件方便些。

作者: xbird 时间: 2009-8-17 16:41

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-17 09:46发表的:
Xbird, I tried the tags; that seems to be fine, but it still gives me that blue notice box. No matter how many times I attempt to re-do it I cannot upload. [s:254]

I don't know what else to try.....

So, you upload to youtube and post the links here. Some one will get your video from youtube and upload to youku. Some of us can visit youtube.

作者: 秀真无敌 时间: 2009-8-17 16:48
其实YOUTUBE可以很简单上的，请参看下帖：
https://bbs.luryl.com/viewthread.php?tid=1215747

另外，欢迎外国朋友，你找对地方了。

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-18 05:11
Hey everyone its okay; I switched computers and its looks like its finally working, its uploading as I type this.

Here's some of my vids; I use only Hibana:

* Stage-6 S-Rank TIME ATTACK on Hard - http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTEzMjEyODgw.html

* Stage-1 S-Rank TIME ATTACK on Hard - http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTEzMjEyMTE2.html

Get some more stuff I've done uploaded in a bit.

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-18 07:01
Well, I do not know when all the videos will be finished processing, so I will just provide a link to my account as I will be going home after I finish uploading.

http://u.youku.com/user_show/id_UMTQ2NTA4OTAw.html

作者: xbird 时间: 2009-8-18 12:39
I just watched your stage-6. You did a good playing.

I think it diffi*** to find another TA video completed on the same conditions. Because the official records just demand diffi***y of normal, and regardless rank.

If you regardless S-Rank, you can use scrolls to kill enemis. And, maybe you will find a way to kill the Boss faster than one hit kill. It's on normal would be easyer to do them.

In the video of stage-6, I think you can save time by jumping to next truck earlier, especially the last trucks.

And the one hit kill would be done faster. You should release the □ button when the boss just land on the floor. It will save about 2 seconds for you. Of cause, you must kill the others enemis faster.

PS: Do not use any software to translate English to Chinese. It's more diffi*** to be read than English.

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-18 22:39

下面是引用xbird于2009-08-18 12:39发表的:
I just watched your stage-6. You did a good playing.

I think it diffi*** to find another TA video completed on the same conditions. Because the official records just demand diffi***y of normal, and regardless rank.

If you regardless S-Rank, you can use scrolls to kill enemis. And, maybe you will find a way to kill the Boss faster than one hit kill. It's on normal would be easyer to do them.
.......

No, its not a regular TA, and its on HARD diffi***y. What my project for those particular videos is:

* Get S-Rank
* Use Only Hibana
* On Hard Diffi***y
* As fast as possible

I do think I could have jumped some of the trucks faster, but I was being a bit catious at that point.

下面是引用初音ミク于2009-08-18 12:50发表的:
Hi, I am 213h. This is another ID.

I have watched the "阶段- 4时间攻击的S -秩". Perhaps you meant "Stage 04 Time Attack for S Rank"? But the video is for Stage 03...

Because I have never done Time Attack (TA) in the same conditions, I hope my advice is helpful.
.......

thank you for your advice, 213h! I must have mistakenly named my video wrong Stage04 (although I did upload a run for Stage04 yesterday). I always update my runs after learning something new and I will make another one using your advice.

I did not realize you could get the boss to expose the weakpoint by kicking him; I thought you had to wait and that's where I got the idea to kill the enemies and rush into use both level 3 and then level 2 consective charge attacks.

Also it is good to know I can use scrolls to speed up my time since my score was so high, but are you sure only level 2 attack is needed for one-hit kill on stage-3 boss on hard mode?

作者: natural 时间: 2009-8-19 00:15
* Get S-Rank
* Use Only Hibana
* On Hard Diffi***y
* As fast as possible

High Score?
No.

Time Attack?
No.

We don't play the game in your mode.
If you have time, maybe you can uplode some video in our mode(HS or TA).

^_^

作者: xbird 时间: 2009-8-19 00:56

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-18 22:39发表的:
……

I did not realize you could get the boss to expose the weakpoint by kicking him; I thought you had to wait and that's where I got the idea to kill the enemies and rush into use both level 3 and then level 2 consective charge attacks.

Also it is good to know I can use scrolls to speed up my time since my score was so high, but are you sure only level 2 attack is needed for one-hit kill on stage-3 boss on hard mode?

for one hit kill of the Stage-3 boss, on condition that hitting weakpoint, level 3 charge attack, or level 1 charge attack on 1 tate is OK.

Kick its head when it just stop attack, it will show you the weakpoint.

Here is a software to calculate damage of KUNOICHI.
https://bbs.luryl.com/viewthread.php?tid=581410&fpage=1

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-19 02:32

下面是引用natural于2009-08-19 00:15发表的:
* Get S-Rank
* Use Only Hibana
* On Hard Diffi***y
* As fast as possible

.......

No, its just my project; I think it is very challenging.

I have done normal TIME ATTACK on Stage-3 w/hibana and stage-4 with Hisui, I can upload those so you can give me advice to improve my times on them.

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-19 06:04
Natural here are some of my Time attacks you were asking about:

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTEzNDM3MTAw.html - TIME ATTACK 7

I'm not sure how to increase my time too much on this one; I know the record is around ''30 and I do know I can save time next time by using shuriken burst at the waterfall but other that

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTEzNDM3MTcy.html - STAGE-3 TIME ATTACK

I messed up at a bit killing the bug enemies at the end on the column, but besides that, is there some other ways to get this even lower with Hibana?

I also uploaded my TIME ATTACK-3 and SURVIAL-7.

作者: 初音ミク 时间: 2009-8-19 12:39

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-18 22:39发表的:

thank you for your advice, 213h! I must have mistakenly named my video wrong Stage04 (although I did upload a run for Stage04 yesterday). I always update my runs after learning something new and I will make another one using your advice.

I did not realize you could get the boss to expose the weakpoint by kicking him; I thought you had to wait and that's where I got the idea to kill the enemies and rush into use both level 3 and then level 2 consective charge attacks.
.......

You're welcome

I just uploaded 2 videos.

The 1st one is ST03, Hibana, hard, No Retry, No damage, and it is played by yuxi (No. 44 message in this topic, one of the god in our forum

). The boss battle is a good reference.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTEzNDg3MTMy.html

The 2nd one is TA7, Hotsuma, and it is played by me. If you want to improve, you'd better do much exercise on Raijin Magic.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTEzNDgzMzA0.html

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-20 01:30

下面是引用初音ミク于2009-08-19 12:39发表的:

You're welcome

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Ah yes, my control needs work whens it comes to raijin scroll. Especially when it comes to things like aiming mirrors while using and staying on narrow walkways (such as for misson 6). I think its just like you said however, just practice more with it and I should get use to the feel of it.

thank you for the link to yuxi's stage-4 run; it will be good to have a model to go off of as it is somewhat frustrating to go through the stage and figure out what enemies/items I need to kill, which I can skip, etc.

It is just as you said earlier; my goal is to do the stages for S-Rank quickly while just barely getting around 1300000 points; for some stages it is simple (I found I can do Stage-5 around 3' 30 now since I know I can just do enemy kills 100% and only worry about a few boxes which have chakra in them; I don't need to destroy anything else since I won't take damage) or stage-8 because it is somewhat linear and the enemies/doorways I need to destroy are on my path.

One question though, I am working on Stage-9 currently and I know you can kill nakatomi ninja bosses by charge attack in the back, but I want to do it at the start and Jamushi has two preset column patterns at the beginning:

a) he appears to the far left, at which case I need to start tateing at the far right
b) he appears at the far right at which case I start close to my left

In anycase, we all know if you kick or hit him he will dissapear and the tate will reset in a different pattern, so I try to to jump at just the right distance and buffer in my slash so I will be ready to charge but I have several problems; most of which the columns in these patterns are too small to get behind him safely and I cannot bait the projectile move due to lack of space or he hits me with melee attack. This is not a problem on normal mode, or with Hotsuma since it seems his charge move will kill Jumushi even from the front. I did it similarly with my run on Stage-3 where I did two consective charge moves standing from the base of the column. This works, and I have a time around 4' 30''...still I saw a video of a Hibana doing one-hit kill on hard but the pattern Jumushi was standing on was different (wasn't one of the ones he starts out with) and there was much more room to get the back tate.

So for the sake of saving time is my way okay, or is there another way to set it up?

作者: 初音ミク 时间: 2009-8-20 11:46

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-20 01:30发表的:

Ah yes, my control needs work whens it comes to raijin scroll. Especially when it comes to things like aiming mirrors while using and staying on narrow walkways (such as for misson 6). I think its just like you said however, just practice more with it and I should get use to the feel of it.

thank you for the link to yuxi's stage-4 run; it will be good to have a model to go off of as it is somewhat frustrating to go through the stage and figure out what enemies/items I need to kill, which I can skip, etc.
.......

Actually I never tried to kill Jimushi in one hit by Hibana in hard mode, since I always use Hotsuma. Perhaps someone else can help you for this. All I know about Jimushi is that kill him in one hit by Hibana is really challenging...

作者: xbird 时间: 2009-8-20 12:19
Most videos of one hit kill of Jimushi, were completed when he apperared on the right column at the beginning by Hibana in hard mode. I never did one hit kill of Jimushi by Hibana when he appaered on the columns of front, left and center at beginning. And I never saw some one did so.

For your project, you must pray he firstly appears on the right column. It all rest with luck. You have 50% to succeed.

作者: yuxi 时间: 2009-8-20 19:26

下面是引用xbird于2009-08-20 12:19发表的:
Most videos of one hit kill of Jimushi, were completed when he apperared on the right column at the beginning by Hibana in hard mode. I never did one hit kill of Jimushi by Hibana when he appaered on the columns of front, left and middle at beginning. And I never saw some one did so.

For your project, you must pray he firstly appears on the right column. It all rest with luck. You have 50% to succeed.

hard一刀地虫和出现位置没关系，请不要误导，谢谢。
还有就是hard一刀地虫的成功率你能达到50%这么高？我是没见过这里的人谁说自己能有这么高的成功率。

作者: xbird 时间: 2009-8-20 20:24

下面是引用yuxi于2009-08-20 19:26发表的:

hard一刀地虫和出现位置没关系，请不要误导，谢谢。
还有就是hard一刀地虫的成功率你能达到50%这么高？我是没见过这里的人谁说自己能有这么高的成功率。

我只是说我自己没做过在那三个平台用绯花蓄背的一刀斩，且没见过过别人的录象里做过，是我自己见识少~

还有就是50%的机会是指，地虫有50%的机会一开始出现在右边平台。地虫不是不会两次出现在同一平台，和不会出现在离绯花最近的平台吗？毕竟那个平台的地虫容易下手，TA的话也得在第一次出杂兵时完成一刀斩，右边的话，第一只杂兵离绯花也近，所以祈求他最好一开始出现在右边~

之前写的没超出上面几行字的范围吧？

用绯花蓄背，大概有25%左右吧，就看地虫不会跟着绯花转身，有时还会边撒网边转……

用秀真的话，正面二段，成功率高好多~

作者: yuxi 时间: 2009-8-20 20:55

下面是引用xbird于2009-08-20 20:24发表的:

地虫不是不会两次出现在同一平台，和不会出现在离绯花最近的平台吗？

这又是从哪里得出来的结论？就算你说50%是指出现的位置，但是这个数字又是怎么得出来的？是自己的经验是么？但是对于某些所谓自己的经验得出的规律并不一定正确，你自己都说你没见过在别的平台上一刀地虫，有些东西不是随便说出来这么简单的，因为你以前有些回帖里面所写的理论都不是完全正确的，这样很容易对别人造成误导的结果，再比如说hard难度地面都能出现一刀斩的结果，虽说这个很久以前就被人发现了，但是到现在为止所有的解释都是猜测，没人能说出来这个是什么原理，具体要怎么去操作，所以说对于地虫这么一个诡异的boss来说更是很难用自己的经验去对某些现象去下结论。

以上这只是我对于你有些回帖里面的错误结论所提出的建议，回复某些问题之前最好确定一下自己所说的是不是?返模?饷囱辖鞯挠蜗凡皇撬邓嫡饷醇虻サ模?比荒憧梢匝≡裢耆?奘右陨险庑??s:120]

下面是引用xbird于2009-08-20 20:24发表的:

用绯花蓄背，大概有25%左右吧，就看地虫不会跟着绯花转身，有时还会边撒网边转……

我和鬼神当初录无伤全程的时候，这关是最郁闷的，基本都是打了一下午才搞定的，这个概念就是只成功了那么一次，你这个25%的成功率对于地虫来说已经高到天上去了。。。至少我认识的人没人能到这么高的，当然可能是我们见识的也少吧，呵呵。

作者: xbird 时间: 2009-8-20 21:27

下面是引用yuxi于2009-08-20 20:55发表的:

这又是从哪里得出来的结论？就算你说50%是指出现的位置，但是这个数字又是怎么得出来的？是自己的经验是么？但是对于某些所谓自己的经验得出的规律并不一定正确，你自己都说你没见过在别的平台上一刀地虫，有些东西不是随便说出来这么简单的，因为你以前有些回帖里面所写的理论都不是完全正确的，这样很容易对别人造成误导的结果，再比如说hard难度地面都能出现一刀斩的结果，虽说这个很久以前就被人发现了，但是到现在为止所有的解释都是猜测，没人能说出来这个是什么原理，具体要怎么去操作，所以说对于地虫这么一个诡异的boss来说更是很难用自己的经验去对某些现象去下结论。

以上这只是我对于你有些回帖里面的错误结论所提出的建议，回复某些问题之前最好确定一下自己所说的是不是正确的，这么严谨的游戏不是说说这么简单的，当然你可以选择完全无视以上这些，对我来说无所谓的。

地虫不会两次出现在同一平台，和不会出现在最近绯花的平台，我经常用这方法迫使他出现在方便我一刀斩的平台的，每次都有效~(地虫在***台时，转身的机率真的很高)

一开始，绯花站一个平台，地虫站一个，剩下两个平台，不是左就是右的了，机率当然是50%，实际上也是如此。一开始别乱跑，从没见过一开始就升中间平台的，有的话我也想看看~

我发表的理论都是经过实践验证才发表的，没完全肯定的全用上“应该”、“大概”、“估计”等字眼，仔细看的话也不会有误解的。正所谓人非圣贤，孰能无错，虽然我已经尽是避免，但也难免有些错漏~

有错也欢迎指出，如果有人引用回复了，我也不会编辑原话，否则就像耍赖，反巫捏人家而理指控，而看帖的只要看回复也不会有误解了，看帖得看回复啊~

作者: xbird 时间: 2009-8-20 21:40

下面是引用yuxi于2009-08-20 20:55发表的:
我和鬼神当初录无伤全程的时候，这关是最郁闷的，基本都是打了一下午才搞定的，这个概念就是只成功了那么一次，你这个25%的成功率对于地虫来说已经高到天上去了。。。至少我认识的人没人能到这么高的，当然可能是我们见识的也少吧，呵呵

我不打无伤，成功率当然高一些。你们打一下午就打出，我已经是望尘莫及了……

实际上我比较讨厌游戏最高评价要求无伤，打得漂亮的话，伤一点有什么关系。还好K的S Rank不要求无伤，只求分数，很多关我都是打Massive Damage S的~

作者: yuxi 时间: 2009-8-20 21:46

下面是引用xbird于2009-08-20 21:27发表的:

地虫不会两次出现在同一平台，和不会出现在最近绯花的平台，我经常用这方法迫使他出现在方便我一刀斩的平台的，每次都有效~(地虫在***台时，转身的机率真的很高)

真牛，都能100%控制地虫出现的规律了 [s:264]

“应该”、“大概”、“估计”等字眼我看的一些帖子里面基本没出现过，看来还是“不全面”啊 [s:267]

算了，我也懒的说了，你继续吧，对于25%如此高的一刀成功率我也差不多明白是啥意思了

PS：我估计这里的老鸟随便挑出来一个都能被你秒杀的彻彻底底，至少这关是秒的没边了

下面是引用xbird于2009-08-20 21:40发表的:

我不打无伤，成功率当然高一些。你们打一下午就打出，我已经是望尘莫及了……

实际上我比较讨厌游戏最高评价要求无伤，打得漂亮的话，伤一点有什么关系。还好K的S Rank不要求无伤，只求分数，很多关我都是打Massive Damage S的~

这个成功率和打不打无伤没关系，谢谢。

如果方便的话啥时候给点漂亮的录像看看吧，因为你当初那句“我有那个实力但是有人做过了我就不想去做了”这句话很让人期待，忍区现在挺需要些漂亮的录像来活跃一下了，沉闷太久了

PS：你不打无伤居然都知道自己有那个实力去打无伤，这个有点费解。。。汗个

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-20 23:41
Can you guys fill me in what xbird and yuxi were discussing? I'm very curious as to what exactly you guys were talking about....

Also, guys please check on my stage-8: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTEzMjE2NTQ4.html

Tell me what all of you think.

作者: w8108310y 时间: 2009-8-21 07:37

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-20 23:41发表的:
Can you guys fill me in what xbird and yuxi were discussing? I'm very curious as to what exactly you guys were talking about....

Also, guys please check on my stage-8: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTEzMjE2NTQ4.html

Tell me what all of you think.

you could slash the door when you on the wall,so the attack power is higher.

作者: 帝王 时间: 2009-8-21 10:08
我英语太差就不现眼了，只想问ergeniz，Where are you from?

作者: 初音ミク 时间: 2009-8-21 11:32

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-20 23:41发表的:
Can you guys fill me in what xbird and yuxi were discussing? I'm very curious as to what exactly you guys were talking about....

Also, guys please check on my stage-8: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTEzMjE2NTQ4.html

Tell me what all of you think.

They were discussing the possibility of killing Jimushi in one hit....

For Stage 08:

1st, in the first section I am accustomed to jumping and dashing on the long slopes. I think it is faster than just dashing.

2nd, as w8108310y said, the power of slash on the wall is doubled, so you can open the gates faster.

3rd, in 4'44'' you can use shuriken to hit the item which increases the upper limit of HP, and it will become a 5000 coin. Therefore you can kill less enemies to save time. Since you have gotten enough power for level-3 charging attack, you can skip the last two groups of enemies.

I think you still need to consider which enemies should be skipped, but I can hardly give more advice on this since I have not completed the same mission.

PS: Is this video for Stage 08 in hard mode?

作者: xbird 时间: 2009-8-21 13:02

下面是引用yuxi于2009-08-20 21:46发表的:
这个成功率和打不打无伤没关系，谢谢。

如果方便的话啥时候给点漂亮的录像看看吧，因为你当初那句“我有那个实力但是有人做过了我就不想去做了”这句话很让人期待，忍区现在挺需要些漂亮的录像来活跃一下了，

沉闷太久了

PS：你不打无伤居然都知道自己有那个实力去打无伤，这个有点费解。。。汗个
.......

想不到那么久之前的一句话居然引起这里的老鸟的注意……

不打无伤的话，成功率当然要高些。你们打无伤的，中个飞行道具就算失败了，我中了的话，就继续，估计不能在限定时间内冲到地虫身边的话就等下一次机会，25%是只计算只到地虫身边的次数。当他出现在***台时，我就去另一个***台站着，那他下次就一定出现在剩下两个大平台上了~

我打Hard难度绯花全程也是参考你那套录象打了，让我清楚了杀那几批敌人就足以S，计算分数，也清楚了有几次Continue的机会，省了我不少时间，趁着录象的作者在此，说声谢谢!当然我没有无伤那3W分，要找多些敌人打、多用连击或吃多些金币补足~

打无伤相当RP的，绝对不是一次能打出。众所周知K忍的杂兵，尤其是会飞行道具那些，是多么的凶狠，一个不小心就得重来，重来得花大量时间，所以你们的录象里也是很小心地拣选杂兵战。K忍最吸引我的是杀阵系统和一刀斩，所以我平常都玩最高难度，敌全灭，不过按这样的打法，打S会大增加了破无伤的机会，重来次数则更多~

对我个人来说，打无伤和TA都没兴趣，原因说出来比较长，也可能会让一些老鸟不高兴，这不是我想要的效果。而我确实是衷心地佩服打出无伤和TA的玩家们~

如今我对忍的热情已经消退，踏入09年以来，打K忍的时间不足4小时……没了那股热情，很难打出让人心动的录象，觉得献丑不如藏拙好了。不过去年疯狂地打了半年，经验是积累了些，想和大家分享，不过由于我没发过录象，说的话总是没力，容易受质疑……

目前我正在致力完成DMC3SE的全程，玩K忍的时间就更少了。当初我是完全没打算打SS，更没打算出录象的，后来不记得是被谁怂恿下，录个M1 SS，慢慢又录了个M2 SS，渐渐欲罢不能，花了大量时间，中间还数度想过放弃，还好热情还没消退，还能坚持下来，正面临着最大的难关M12。(我也说过我讨厌打无伤，不过SS要求到，没办法)据我所知，yuxi兄也是位DMC3er，我之前打M1~11的录象都在鬼区发布了，虽然不少地方打得很不堪，但有兴趣请捧捧场，并指点一二~

作者: 帝王 时间: 2009-8-21 13:36
LS是ACT祖~~能不能多发几个录像来

作者: natural 时间: 2009-8-21 15:47
xbird 我呢也看过你不少贴子。
看得出你也很喜欢忍，而且也花了不少时间，玩的也不错。在系统方面的研究呢也比整区的平均水平高。
但是你和区里的核心玩家交流少了点，没有进入核心圈。
可以说，基本***的研究都是单枪匹马搞出来的，确实很不容易。
而且我发现你也挺乐于帮助新人，也很愿意和其他新玩家分享你的研究成果（当然是你认为正确的）。
在你的回复中，通常你都是用陈述句描述的。但是由于你基本上是基于一个人的研究，所以某些回答并不全面，有时候有些错误（而你自己并不知道）。
再加上从你的表达中流露出你水平不一般，但是却又迟迟未发表过录像。
这一点恰恰正是忍区最忌讳的。忍区向来尊重欣赏有实力的人，哪怕很狂，只要能拿的出实力，一样敬佩。却最看不起说的好听却又拿不出录像的。

若是常来区里聊聊，你这样也没什么不好。只是以你目前这种方式，是无法取得核心玩家认可的，这是事实，也许你根本不在乎，当然你也没必要在乎。

我说这么多，也只是提个醒，让你知道一些原由。
一批人一起研究，一起分享成果比起单枪匹马来说我想你也可以想象其间的差距。

作者: 七瀬恋 时间: 2009-8-21 16:06
xbird　其实在拳皇区的每个回复也挺认真的，都是长篇大论，感觉他从来就没发过水帖。印象中这样的人只有在文学组才存在……不过他要想证明的自己的实力，只能发来原创录像让别人评价了……

作者: yuxi 时间: 2009-8-21 19:59

下面是引用xbird于2009-08-21 13:02发表的:

想不到那么久之前的一句话居然引起这里的老鸟的注意……

不打无伤的话，成功率当然要高些。你们打无伤的，中个飞行道具就算失败了，我中了的话，就继续，估计不能在限定时间内冲到地虫身边的话就等下一次机会，25%是只计算只到地虫身边的次数。当他出现在***台时，我就去另一个***台站着，那他下次就一定出现在剩下两个大平台上了~

.......

哈哈哈哈，这25%又改概念了啊，前面说的是背蓄，现在又变成上平台了啊，果然是牛人~ [s:264]

说了这么大篇幅只是拐弯抹角的说没办法打出录像么？我可以这么理解么？但是这里的老鸟大都是n久没碰过忍的了，如果现在让他们去打一些比较赏心悦目的录像的话，我想只需要一个周末的时间而已，甚至更短，长时间不碰这个游戏并不能作为理由，因为我并没有说让你去破什么记录又或是去打什么无伤，随便一个游戏，有一定功底的话是不会在乎多长时间没碰过的，拿上手柄打两把绝对能恢复至少一半的感觉，这样足够能打出比较不错的录像，这点你根本没办法自圆其说，说的越多你的破绽就越多。

不用给老鸟们带高帽，没意思，他们打出什么录像完全只是因为对这个游戏的喜爱，而且并不是放出的录像就一定是无伤又或者是多牛的ta录像，只要能代表自己的水平或者是理念和想法的，都会发出来，这并不是随便说说就行的，什么热情消退、很长时间不碰了和什么对一些打法没兴趣完全只是一些借口而已，根本没有意义，有这时间你打几把就能恢复一些手感了，呵呵

来忍区的人我很少去怀疑他的实力，因为我自己当初来这里的时候有这样的经历，我知道是什么感觉，而且我也知道高手在民间这句话，就像dapao兄，用手机录也要给大家看到自己的录像，这完全是对一个游戏的态度问题，我们当初看到你的那句话完全是期待，希望能多来几个高手活跃忍区，但是根本没见过什么成型的东西出来，看到的只是一篇又一篇的理论，有些甚至还是错的，当然这种回帖的态度是值得肯定的，但是只有理论是不行的，只讲理论的话我让空白出来能把你讲烦了你信么。。。

呵呵，又扯到鬼泣了么，不好意思，我不是专门去研究这个系列的，没什么发言权，自己早期做过一些录像对得起100多小时的游戏时间就ok了。不过你不是总说别人做过了我还做他没意义么，那干啥还去打，哦，我知道你一定会说他们没开加速，或者他们用的不是se版，对吧？我了解的~

好了，该说的我也说了，码字太累了（你真强，每次都能理出这么多论来- -），我不会在这贴里再回复你的任何东西，自便吧，就这样了~

作者: yuxi 时间: 2009-8-21 20:58

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-20 23:41发表的:
Can you guys fill me in what xbird and yuxi were discussing? I'm very curious as to what exactly you guys were talking about....

Also, guys please check on my stage-8: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTEzMjE2NTQ4.html

Tell me what all of you think.

Ergeniz,

I am very sorry to say some other things in your post.I must apologize to you.

Return from the digression.I have seen your vids several days on youtube.And I am very glad to see these vids.I think your level has been already very good,but some things of system are not too clear.And few people of our form plays this game in your mode,so I can hardly give more advice with it.

For your St8,I think it is awesome.My view is the same as 213H.Skipping some enemies and using Raijin magic in the appropriate place are useful to improve your score.The long-time exercise is very essential. ^ ^

Hopefully we can help you to raise your achievement.Btw,do you have the character named Hotsuma?We also use this character to play speed run in story mode.
[s:247] [s:247]

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-21 22:03

下面是引用帝王于2009-08-21 10:08发表的:
我英语太差就不现眼了，只想问ergeniz，Where are you from?

I am currently in Texas, America. I am originally from Kentucky however.

下面是引用yuxi于2009-08-21 20:58发表的:

Ergeniz,

I am very sorry to say some other things in your post.I must apologize to you.
.......

There's no need for an apology, yuxi! I just couldn't understand what you and xbird were saying and I was curious just in case you guys said something that might help me out on Stage-9.

Thank you very much for your compliment on my Stage-8 run. I really respect you and the other players here for your work.

I understand no-one has done a project like this before but you guys are already giving me plenty of help to improve and get my times down, so don't worry.

下面是引用初音ミク于2009-08-21 11:32发表的:

They were discussing the possibility of killing Jimushi in one hit....

.......

Ah thanks for those tips, I did not know slashing power increased while on the wall. That will help me a lot. Also, I think I will go ahead and skip the group of enemies before the first elevator since i will turn the HP up into a coin.

Although the main reason I destroyed the enemies at the end was because if I try to destroy the door with them still alive, they'll shoot and attack me while I'm occupied, so i wanted to make sure there were no interuptions.

作者: natural 时间: 2009-8-21 22:08
Do you play Shinobi?

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-21 22:17

下面是引用natural于2009-08-21 22:08发表的:
Do you play Shinobi?

Yes, i play Shinobi although I prefer Nightshade. I have not done any TIME ATTACK on Shinobi though, just done S-Ranks through Hard and Super, and few (bad) VR missions.....

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-21 22:17

下面是引用初音ミク于2009-08-21 11:32发表的:

Is this video for Stage 08 in hard mode?

.......

Yes.

作者: A9爆叔 时间: 2009-8-21 22:17
All of you are zu

I am just passing through

作者: 香里奈 时间: 2009-8-21 22:45
all are disc gu.
im just round watching.

作者: 鬼神 时间: 2009-8-21 22:47
我打Hard难度绯花全程也是参考你那套录象打了，让我清楚了杀那几批敌人就足以S，计算分数，也清楚了有几次Continue的机会，省了我不少时间，趁着录象的作者在此，说声谢谢!当然我没有无伤那3W分，要找多些敌人打、多用连击或吃多些金币补足~

打无伤相当RP的，绝对不是一次能打出。众所周知K忍的杂兵，尤其是会飞行道具那些，是多么的凶狠，一个不小心就得重来，重来得花大量时间，所以你们的录象里也是很小心地拣选杂兵战。

就冲你这两句话我就知道你对这游戏的理解有多深了，你还是一边凉快去吧

PS：难得冒泡，观看鸟语大作战

作者: 鬼鬼的刀刀 时间: 2009-8-22 01:47

下面是引用devil2000于2009-08-21 22:17发表的:
All of you are zu

I am just passing through

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-22 05:21

下面是引用鬼神于2009-08-21 22:47发表的:
我打Hard难度绯花全程也是参考你那套录象打了，让我清楚了杀那几批敌人就足以S，计算分数，也清楚了有几次Continue的机会，省了我不少时间，趁着录象的作者在此，说声谢谢!当然我没有无伤那3W分，要找多些敌人打、多用连击或吃多些金币补足~

打无伤相当RP的，绝对不是一次能打出。众所周知K忍的杂兵，尤其是会飞行道具那些，是多么的凶狠，一个不小心就得重来，重来得花大量时间，所以你们的录象里也是很小心地拣选杂兵战。

就冲你这两句话我就知道你对这游戏的理解有多深了，你还是一边凉快去吧
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Translation?

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTE0MDk0Njk2.html

Anyway, I finished a re-run of stage-5 last night; I had an old one a long time ago where it was 4' 07' something but I after I realized I could cut down the time by not stopping to destroy all the crates and items I was able to get it comfortably in three minutes.

My run posted is 3' 35'' something, but here is the lowest I could get it:

However, at the cost of that time I kept taking damage and messing up my S-Rank; 6'' second difference at the cost of being more careful; tell me what you guys think.

作者: never_never 时间: 2009-8-22 19:03
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作者: yuxi 时间: 2009-8-22 19:14

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-22 05:21发表的:

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTE0MDk0Njk2.html
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Awesome job!It is very smooth on the whole.And I think you should consider how to use the scrolls to save time,because the final score is a little higher than S-rank.But this is only my own suggestion,I haven't play this in your mode,so I do not confirm whether using scrolls is useful or not for your S-rank speed run.But anyway,your best-time is very fast!

Btw,I feel it is relaxed that you play no damage run,your operation is very sane.How long have you played this game?

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-23 01:20
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作者: 初音ミク 时间: 2009-8-23 11:09
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作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-23 11:41

下面是引用初音ミク于2009-08-23 11:09发表的:

A scroll is 5000 points. Your video is great, and I have never gotten no-damage in all the stages except ST1,ST2 and ST13

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Hmmm, 5000 points I can certainly spare.

But for this stage at least, I actually can't decide if using any scrolls would help or be a good idea. Using fire scroll isn't actually a good idea because I want to kill the enemies normally, especially use the short sword to get enough chakra to kill the boss (need a lv.3, and in the vid even after using the short sword so much I still needed a teensy bit more during the boss fight). Because of the way the stage is laid out, Raijin actually doesn't help me too much speed-wise, and even though it helps also by making me invincible, since I already don't take damage, there's no point to that. [s:255] And well, the other type of ninjutsu is basically useless (I only see it helping me for MISSION1 TIME ATTACK with Hibana).

But this is great; I can go back and use a Raijin scroll for my re-runs on Stage-7 and Stage-4 in particular. Especially Stage-7 because my best S-Rank run for that was 7' 28'' something but because I had to slow down and deal with the buster sword enemies and their armor it ended up 7' 51''! Raijin scroll (or two!) should make this far less of a headache. I get around 140000 on those runs, so I can use two Raijin scrolls, I think!

作者: 七瀬恋 时间: 2009-8-24 16:59
xbird 两天没出现了…………

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-25 06:41
^ lmao, maybe I should rename the thread to xbird discussion.

Uploading three things I worked over the weekend to my account; I did Stage-3 TIME ATTACK over, improved my time on TIME ATTACK-5 and MISSION-2 (Hibana).

I do not know when they will be fully processed, so just check my page: http://u.youku.com/user_show/uid_ergeniz

Give me feedback for improvement and tips as usual; see you all tommorow, I'm going home to work on Stage-4 TIME ATTACK with Hisui. [s:260] Current record is:

I should definitely be able to shave more time off of this since I messed up shooting a few mirrors and wall running in that run. Hoping to get one I'm sastisfied with up sometime this week.

作者: ray_dash 时间: 2009-8-25 07:45
这帖勾引出了不少菩提啊

作者: 初音ミク 时间: 2009-8-25 12:26

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-25 06:41发表的:
^ lmao, maybe I should rename the thread to xbird discussion.

Uploading three things I worked over the weekend to my account; I did Stage-3 TIME ATTACK over, improved my time on TIME ATTACK-5 and MISSION-2 (Hibana).

I do not know when they will be fully processed, so just check my page: http://u.youku.com/user_show/uid_ergeniz
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I just uploaded some videos to my youku space. You can refer to them.

1st is TA5 (played by me).

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTE0ODAwNzQ4.html

You can see that the sword can penetrate the wall so you can damage the first mirror faster.

2nd is Mission02 (played by the Japanese master sheep).

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTE0ODA0NjQ0.html

Perhaps you have seen this at sheep's Youtube space. I got this video in 2006, and at that time his operation had been perfect.[s:266]

Under Raijin magic the jump-dash will be longer. This is really helpful in time attack.

3rd is ST04 (played by 秋风之刀).

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTE0ODA5MTAw.html

The player used Hotsuma, but I think it is a good reference. Unlike all of us, you prefer Hibana in most stages. Therefore we often can hardly give valuable advice soon. [s:267]

4th is TA03 (played by 秋风之刀).

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTE0ODEwOTg4.html

The player chose Hisui. The route and distribution of shuriken is helpful.

PS: I completed a video of Shinobi yesterday. I used Hotsuma, in Super mode, No Shuriken, to complete all tates. I am very satisfied with it, and I hope you will like it. Shinobi is really interesting, and you can also make videos for it.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTE0NjM1NjA4.html

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-25 22:49

下面是引用初音ミク于2009-08-25 12:26发表的:

PS: I completed a video of Shinobi yesterday. I used Hotsuma, in Super mode, No Shuriken, to complete all tates. I am very satisfied with it, and I hope you will like it. Shinobi is really interesting, and you can also make videos for it.

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Many thanks for the sharing of your vids as always, 213h. Especially the TA3; I should now be able to get my time at least in the ''50 timeframe after seeing that video.

I did see the Hotsuma vid for ST4 TA on youtube; my run is actually using most of that player's route. However, since Hotsuma's meter can be re-filled instantly with a few tate and have a full level 3 to fight the boss I had to forego using the scrolls for Raijin; I used all them for fire and then a lv.1 attack to kill the boss in short order.

And I will most certainly check out your shinobi vid! I look forward to you achieving your tates in SUPER without use of shuriken - I do not think I could do such a thing.

I would not mind posting some videos of Shinobi, but I do not think I could do anything that any of you would find interesting....

I improved my ST3 TA with Hibana also; what is your opinion on that? BTW, I used yuxi's method for destroying ST3 boss like you showed me in his vid; it helped immensely. I think a even faster way of beating the boss would be to use a firescroll and then two concussive charge attacks, but I would have to go out of my way to get the third scroll and I wouldn't be able to take the cieling shortcut.

作者: yuxi 时间: 2009-8-26 19:15

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-25 06:41发表的:
^ lmao, maybe I should rename the thread to xbird discussion.

Uploading three things I worked over the weekend to my account; I did Stage-3 TIME ATTACK over, improved my time on TIME ATTACK-5 and MISSION-2 (Hibana).

I do not know when they will be fully processed, so just check my page: http://u.youku.com/user_show/uid_ergeniz
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I have seen St3,it is still more smooth as before.But there is space of promotion.You can consult the video of hotsuma to improve the ahead part(Did you see it before?),for example the order of kill the enemy.And I think you should practise the Raijin magic more and more,it is more helpful for improving your TA score.(The Shuriken is also very important.)

For the boss,I have recorded the concept video.I think this methrod is better on normal mode,but it is only a concept,you can try it. (I used Hisui,but the methrod is the same as using Hibana.)^ ^

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTE1MTExMTc2.html

Do not destroy this door to get the attack power,it wastes time.Because you can just get Lv2 attack finally,it is enough to kill the boss.

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-31 02:53

下面是引用yuxi于2009-08-26 19:15发表的:

I have seen St3,it is still more smooth as before.But there is space of promotion.You can consult the video of hotsuma to improve the ahead part(Did you see it before?),for example the order of kill the enemy.And I think you should practise the Raijin magic more and more,it is more helpful for improving your TA score.(The Shuriken is also very important.)

For the boss,I have recorded the concept video.I think this methrod is better on normal mode,but it is only a concept,you can try it. (I used Hisui,but the methrod is the same as using Hibana.)^ ^

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Simply use concussive level 2 and level 1 attacks on the weakspot! Why didn't I think of that? Especially because I did it similarly on my run through hard mode. Thanks for that Yuxi, but do you have link through stage-3 TIME ATTACK with hotsuma so I can see what order to kill the enemies faster? I believe I have seen that vid before but I can't find it now. Or you could point out what parts I could speed up for the killing...

I would like my next Stage-3 TIME ATTACK to be near perfect for you guys to see.

213h, I have finally gotten the chance to see your SUPER mode run. Very nice job you did! You have the patterns for getting the enemies to spawn and their tates perfectly! Also, I did not ever think of defeating Morisune using the method you came up with. Has anyone recorded similar runs with Joe? Finally, may I ask why you are using NTSC-U versions of Shinobi and Kunoichi, as opposed to NTSC-J like most of the other players on the forum?

I have learned much from your TIME ATTACK-5; but as I am using Hibana, I will have to take some liberties with the method, still I can improve my time even more using some of your strats. I am also still working on TIME ATTACK-7, I have everything done faster now, but I cannot get the hang of jumping off the patch of wall in the first part after destroying the mirrors and landing on the hallway right after the first portal is open; I keep falling down.

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-8-31 21:49
I have discovered that Hibana cannot slash through the wall to destroy the mirror...her sword is too short. [s:261]

作者: 尚方咸鱼 时间: 2009-9-1 11:00
好久没在忍区看到这么长的贴子了

作者: yuxi 时间: 2009-9-1 19:46

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-31 02:53发表的:

Simply use concussive level 2 and level 1 attacks on the weakspot! Why didn't I think of that? Especially because I did it similarly on my run through hard mode. Thanks for that Yuxi, but do you have link through stage-3 TIME ATTACK with hotsuma so I can see what order to kill the enemies faster? I believe I have seen that vid before but I can't find it now. Or you could point out what parts I could speed up for the killing... I would like my next Stage-3 TIME ATTACK to be near perfect for you guys to see.

ST3 Hosuma TA on normal mode,played by 麦兜

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r3Ot6wdlSI

I think this video is useful for your work.The order of killing enemies is better.You can try it.Go ahead!

作者: yuxi 时间: 2009-9-1 19:46

下面是引用尚方咸鱼于2009-09-01 11:00发表的:
好久没在忍区看到这么长的贴子了

鱼神惊现，拜

作者: ray_dash 时间: 2009-9-1 19:52
鱼神也出现了。。。这帖祖了

作者: yuxi 时间: 2009-9-1 19:53

下面是引用ergeniz于2009-08-31 21:49发表的:
I have discovered that Hibana cannot slash through the wall to destroy the mirror...her sword is too short. [s:261]

Is it out of range even using the second attack of her sword ?(I do not know how to express it, do not know whether you understand or not.Hey hey)

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-9-2 07:12

下面是引用yuxi于2009-09-01 19:53发表的:

Is it out of range even using the second attack of her sword ?(I do not know how to express it, do not know whether you understand or not.Hey hey)

I believe it is even after the second swing, but I'll check tonight just to make sure and will make a video about it if is so.

Thank you for the Stage-3 run; I will check it soon as I did not get the chance to today. Also, I have made a more viable plan for my Stage-3 TIME ATTACK on hard for S-Rank; I want to show you the concept but I keep messing up on the boss using your method.

Also, while going back to re-do my TIME ATTACK on hard for Stage-4 I decided to do a SCORE ATTACK like you did for stage-3 on hard:

I believe there is room for improvement, but what is your score for this SCORE ATTACK? I would like to compare and collaborate with you.

作者: 初音ミク 时间: 2009-9-2 21:15
I have arrived at the United States, for my graduate study.

But I do not take my PS2 with me, so I can only discuss but not practice. [s:243]

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-9-3 01:31

下面是引用初音ミク于2009-09-02 21:15发表的:
I have arrived at the United States, for my graduate study.

But I do not take my PS2 with me, so I can only discuss but not practice. [s:243]

Nice, what is your graduate study? What state are you in currently?

Also, I replied to a few of your posts on the last thread page so be sure to reply back with your thoughts.

作者: ergeniz 时间: 2009-9-3 03:08
Oh, and Yuxi I watched the Stage-3 TIME ATTACK with Hotsuma at Lunch today; I know now what I need to implement to perfect my run! I think I'll finish it tonight.

I can't wait to show you and 213h the finished product soon. I hope you two will like it. [s:260]

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